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me, I'm trying just to get to second base, and I'd steal it if she only gave the sign

Meme where there's the possibility of giving long wordy answers. How can I resist? By way of

ceilidh, who has one of my favourite usernames. :D

Comment with the name/title of a fandom I'm aware of (if I don't know it, I'll tell you, unless you want me to make something up, which I highly doubt, although it would be fun to try. *g*), no matter how obvious you think the answers will be, and I'll reply to you with the character I love best and why, and maybe who I ship them with. Also, you're free to reply in subthreads and ask me why I ship or don't ship something. In fact I encourage it. *g*)

Also, GO TIGERS! Because the Cards beat my Mets, and because I love underdogs, and especially because I adore my

peacey so much. And the Tigers deserve it. They've worked so hard the past, oh, couple of years, really, to earn the chance for the ring.

And GIP!.

Yes, that's mine, and I love it a lot. I get at least one compliment a day on it. People always are asking what it means, which of course is my chance to do some serious pimping in the guise of information. If it weren't for

moonlight69, I'd still be sitting here with a bare wrist. *loves*

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I'll be original and say due South.

For quite a while I didn't have a favourite character. It kept shifting from Ray to Ray to Fraser and back. I never really gave it a whole lot of thought, because I loved them all. After I really sat and thought about it, it's obvious that it's Fraser, because I really identify with him. I keep saying he's my fake!twin, and he really is. Except for the trappings of uniform and profession and gender, he and I are so much alike it's uncanny (I'm not as brave or as pretty, of course. *g*). I'm very wordy, as evidenced by these comments, I'm really good at changing the subject to avoid talking about how I'm feeling--I tend to bottle emotions and only let them out with people I really, really trust. I'm also polite to a fault and I have a story for everything--I'm a vault of Useless Trivia.

I love Kowalski, though, his kinetic energy and quicksilver smile. He balances Fraser's methodical planning with sheer impulse, and that's good for Fraser, whether he likes it or not.

As for Vecchio, I adore him! He's the one I'd marry, if I had to pick one. He's a family man, warmhearted and sweet (although he'd never admit it). I love the relationship he has with his family. I just adore the Vecchios in general. I could write an essay on Frannie alone. Maybe I will, but not now, dammit. :)

I have such a crush on season 2 Thatcher. I hate what she became in S3. I think there was no need for it. But my t00by love carried me through all the nonsense. Besides, Camilla Scott? Is OMGSOHOT. I won't watch "Say Amen", though, if I can help it.

My ships, hmm. Well, my OTP is Fraser/Kowalski. I wonder if it wasn't love at first sight for them both, without either of them realising it at first. It certainly was after MOTB, and not because of the whole buddy-breathing thing (I really can't accept that Fraser was kissing Ray, because it was a complete emergency situation and it wouldn't be IC for Fraser), but because of the fight and all it brought up. Their differences are good for their partnership, personal and professional, and it almost tore them apart figuring it out. I don't think they really did until COTW, because it wasn't until then that Ray was free of feeling like a substitute for Ray Vecchio, which is something I think would really bother him. Yes, Fraser loves Ray V. okay, maybe just as much, but in an entirely different way. And I wonder if he still is a little peeved that Ray went off without letting him know. Wrongly so, maybe, but still. Fraser holds on to emotional baggage for a long time. *see first paragraph as to how I know this*

I think Ray V. is straight. I also think he had more than a little crush on Benny. Okay, it's a paradox, but it's my paradox and I'm sticking to it. He wouldn't even realise he had a crush at all, anyway. Mostly because he's straight. *g* Yep, circular logic, or something.

I also love Welsh and Turnbull and Elaine and Diefenbaker and Dead!Bob and Frobisher and...and...what's not to love about dS? Oh, yeah. Stella. I really don't like Stella much. She yanks Ray K around by the short hairs and treats him like shit. Why would I like her? Fraser doesn't like her. See? See?

Yep, there we have it. Another comment with waay too many words. ;)

I love RayK, but Fraser's always been my favourite, if only because I watched s1 and 2 on TV back when and didn't see RayK until this year. Which is hard to believe. And for similar reasons - I'm a bottler as well, and I use politeness as a crutch for relating to people.

I love Kowalski, though, his kinetic energy and quicksilver smile. He balances Fraser's methodical planning with sheer impulse, and that's good for Fraser, whether he likes it or not.
MEANT TO BE. *nods firmly*

I love s2 Thatcher, but I can't get past the hair in s3. (I like Say Amen, though. F/K movie date! 'I do believe [love at first sight] exists' and then looking at Ray!)

I think Ray V. is straight. I also think he had more than a little crush on Benny.
Fraser is the Hot That Breaks the Kinsey Scale. I sort of shuttle between unwillingly believing in F/V (unwillingly not because I don't love RayV, but because then BdtH is too sad for me) and thinking more or less straight Ray with unrecognised feelings.

I kind of like Stella - I think she gets a bad rap because when we meet her she hasn't got over Ray enough not to treat him badly.

(Do you have a ship for Frannie? I can never decide.)

I love s2 Thatcher, but I can't get past the hair in s3. (I like Say Amen, though. F/K movie date! 'I do believe [love at first sight] exists' and then looking at Ray!)

I don't mind the hair. I think she became a caricature, is all. The movie date thing and all is fun, but I don't like any of the choir scenes, and everything seems too over the top.

I kind of like Stella - I think she gets a bad rap because when we meet her she hasn't got over Ray enough not to treat him badly.

She got over him enough to divorce him, though. And the whole come here, come here, no, go away, go away stuff bothers me. I keep waiting to like her, but it doesn't happen.

Fraser is the Hot That Breaks the Kinsey Scale.

Hehee. I suppose. *g*

(Do you have a ship for Frannie? I can never decide.)

I really like Frannie/Turnbull. They're adorkable. And AU, I'm all about Frannie/Buddy French, after reading

isiscolo's wonderful story. *g*

I think Ray V. is straight. I also think he had more than a little crush on Benny. Okay, it's a paradox, but it's my paradox and I'm sticking to it. He wouldn't even realise he had a crush at all, anyway. Mostly because he's straight. *g* Yep, circular logic, or something.

Why do people think that Ray V. is any more straight than Ray K.?? It just doesn't make sense to me. If you're going to suspend canon enough to make Ray K. gay, than you should be fair and suspend canon enough to make Ray V. gay as well - because, guess what! It was never the intention of the writers to make either Ray or Fraser gay on the show!

F/K shippers are ridiculous. They're so stuck in their F/K-colored glasses that they can't accept that their way of thinking isn't what all dS fans believe, and it's definitely not what the original creators of the show intended. They're also so eager to push the F/K agenda that they happily pair poor Ray V. with Stella, even though, like you, they may hate Stella because Fraser doesn't like her, and if Fraser doesn't like her, Ray V. being with her would be an end to the Fraser-Ray V. friendship. :-( But F/K shippers don't give shit about that - they don't care that Fraser is no longer friends with Ray V. as long as they have their precious (ugh!) F/K.

If you're going to suspend canon enough to make Ray K. gay, than you should be fair and suspend canon enough to make Ray V. gay as well - because, guess what! It was never the intention of the writers to make either Ray or Fraser gay on the show!

Um, yes they did. At least in Ray K's case.

Paul Gross, on the addition of Ray Kowalski, said this:

"I tell you, slash fiction is going to go crazy when they see the new guy. He is really good-looking and sexy, the dangerous side of Fraser. It will be totally homoerotic."

F/K shippers are ridiculous. They're so stuck in their F/K-colored glasses that they can't accept that their way of thinking isn't what all dS fans believe, and it's definitely not what the original creators of the show intended.

I don't actually care if it's what all dS fans believe. These are fictional characters, and therefore won't be harmed or offended by anything we think about them. My question is, why is your opinion about said fictional characters strong enough that insulting me is okay for you? Fandom is supposed to be fun, after all.

They're also so eager to push the F/K agenda that they happily pair poor Ray V. with Stella, even though, like you, they may hate Stella because Fraser doesn't like her, and if Fraser doesn't like her, Ray V. being with her would be an end to the Fraser-Ray V. friendship.

I've paired Ray V. with Stella. I just write her as more likable than canon does. I have also written F/V. (because I can DO THAT IF I WANT, THEY DON'T CARE BECAUSE THEY ARE *FICTIONAL CHARACTERS*).

But F/K shippers don't give shit about that - they don't care that Fraser is no longer friends with Ray V. as long as they have their precious (ugh!) F/K.

I have never, not even once, said that Fraser is no longer friends with Ray V. Of course he is, Fraser's friendships tend to be lasting. And I adore Ray V, btw.

So there you have it. Although I really wonder why you feel it's necessary to be insulting in response to a comment that itself was a comment of a six-year-old post--a comment that is doing nothing but giving my personal opinion. The Ray Wars are over, my friend, and have been since way before I wrote this post.

That quote from Paul Gross doesn't say anything about Ray Kowalski being gay. That's a false interpretation. And as for Paul saying the show would be "homoerotic" in the episodes with Kowalski -I think Paul was just laughing at slashers and shippers and having a little joke because they were so sure that Due South would be gay. :-)

Really - there's nothing to indicate the show became more or less gay in the last two seasons than in the first two, including the characters. It's just interpretation, and I think many slashers see scenes that non-slashers don't because they've conditioned themselves to see the slash.

I'm not going to argue with you about interpretation. I do not live inside of Paul Gross' head, so I take what he said at face value and interpret it as I see it. Apparently you see it differently--that's why there are 64 crayons in the box of Crayolas.

And? You never did answer my question about why you care so much about people who do not exist. I have my fandom and my favourites and I love them as characters, but if someone wants to write Ray V./Dead!Bob or something equally ridiculous-sounding, I could really care less.

Because, as I've said, they are NOT REAL. If I don't like a pairing/story line/subject matter, I don't read it, period. If someone wants to write it, though, they can go for it. A writer can turn them all into psychotic mutant zombies, for all I care. That's what the back button's for.

Edited 2012-08-16 21:57 (UTC)

Your comment about RayV/Dead!Bob makes me think you're not sincerely about adoring RayV. I think a lot of F/K shippers have that problem - they won't admit it, but they care shit about RayV.

Apparently you're not understanding my words. I care about Ray V. as much as I care about any of my favourite characters, but I care about them as characters, I don't think they're real. Ray V. is one of my very favourite dS characters. But I don't care what people do with them when they write because it's their choice.

Someone can write Fraser/Frannie/Ray K./Welsh's mutant zombie ghost and I DO NOT CARE, because I don't have to read that story if I don't want to and also because--as I have already repeated multiple times, now--THEY ARE NOT REAL PEOPLE. I repeat: NOT REAL PEOPLE. as in MADE UP, NOT REAL, NEVER ACTUALLY DREW BREATH KIND OF FICTIONAL. See?

Edited 2012-08-17 22:34 (UTC)

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